[–] pasteleft 2 days ago
[–] sharpshadow 1 day ago
[–] jasomill 1 day ago
[–] hulitu 2 days ago
[–] joshspankit 1 day ago
1. Telemetry as implemented is usually sloppy. Even though intuitively one could think that telemetry means “data gets collected locally and fired off to a remote server”, we have seen time and time again that they also build a return path to make the telemetry gathering more powerful. That return path can be a vector.
2. Web browsers have a _huge_ surface and they connect to remote servers constantly. The industry does very well at being proactive and at addressing CVEs but the whole premise makes that very difficult and so we cannot absolutely claim that browsers don’t have RCE(s).
[–] embedding-shape 1 day ago
What return path could possibly lead to a RCE? That's crazy, no telemetry requires "backend could return any command that gets run on the client", you're doing telemetry in a very non-standard way if this is even possible.
At worst, the telemetry backend might first send the client a config, but none of that would contain executable commands because again, that'd be crazy.
> we cannot absolutely claim that browsers don’t have RCE(s).
Of course, you can never prove the absence of bugs (and/or security issues), but given that browsers aren't wildly exploited at this very moment, nor have been for quite some time, we can pretty confidently claim there are no browser RCEs in wide use today.
It's true that browsers have pretty big attack surface, but it's also true that it's the class of software that gets the more pentesting, since the payoff would be so great when you manage to find holes.
[–] Someone 1 day ago
API protocol says “return value is either “OK” or “ERR””, attacker sends “Floccinaucinihilipilification”, overflowing the 3-byte response buffer allocated on the stack.
[–] embedding-shape 1 day ago
I'm claiming if "everything else" does indeed lead to a RCE, you're again doing something very wrong here. It's not rocket science exactly.
[–] Someone 1 day ago
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stack_buffer_overflow#stack_sm...
- https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Return-oriented_programming
I think that’s how lots of RCE bugs start, so it may not be rocket science, but lots of software falls for it.
[–] embedding-shape 1 day ago
I'd go out on a limb here perhaps, but I'd claim that if your telemetry means that the one SENDING the data gets a RCE by default by it, you're doing telemetry very wrong. Maybe look into different libraries/services than the ones you use today, please.
[–] monster_truck 2 days ago
To stack assumptions, I'd reach for something like using the recent certificate circus to present as there being an updated version of whatever model it uses on the PCs that can run it locally to give it a fucked up model that does the out of bounds shit as part of whatever verification/checks it does after its downloaded/installed.
[–] johnisom2001 1 day ago
So, you're saying nothing? It would have been more useful to never have posted.
[–] _notreallyme_ 1 day ago
It's quite common with vulnerabilities found by IA, there might be less hallucination, but the impact/score is often completely wrong.
[–] boringg 1 day ago
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[–] fuzzfactor 2 days ago
Normally have been 86-ing a number of annoying things such as OneDrive, but leaving Paint in place figuring it's got to still be harmless.
Creeping increases in attack vector when just the opposite is needed more than ever.
[–] onei 2 days ago
Turns out paint was the thing almost every customer had installed/had access to, so he worked to the lowest common denominator and got really good at using it. I guess now he'll need to find a new tool to astonish devs with.
[–] ethbr1 1 day ago
And at the end of the day $2 and $2000 screwdrivers are both still screwdrivers.
[–] ndsipa_pomu 23 hours ago
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[–] joshspankit 1 day ago
Then they added automatic HTML parsing of incoming emails, and the attackers cheered.
[–] znpy 2 days ago
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[–] fuzzfactor 1 day ago
Like when a previously sturdy old sailing ship starts taking on water, for instance in the 18th century and beyond.
Numerical equivalent to "deep-six."
[–] DANmode 2 days ago
once Microsoft has reinvented themselves as…security-first?
[–] pjmlp 2 days ago
And there is the SFI program.
However this is a Windows application, and in spite some Rust advances in WinDev, it is pretty much C and C++ turf, with Rust getting the same warm reception as .NET used to enjoy.
Guess which language is Paint written on?
Nonetheless, they are doubling down on sandboxing Windows, macOS, iOS and Android style, for quite some time, exactly to become security first as you are asking for.
[–] NooneAtAll5 1 day ago
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[–] Natsu 2 days ago
Get-AppxPackage -Name Microsoft.Paint | Select-Object Name, Version
But I can only get Microsoft.Paint 11.2609.401.0 and Microsoft has said different things in different places, so it's not even clear if this has the fix or not.
This article has more info on the confusion they're causing: https://windowsforum.com/news/cve-2026-83844-windows-11-pain...
[–] iririririr 2 days ago
If I still mamaged any windows host, i would be deploying a remove-package script asap to the entire fleet.
[–] izacus 2 days ago
When did y'all stop using some basic sense before writing? -_-
[–] BSDobelix 2 days ago
Yeah samesame:
-Compares a kernel with paint
-Uses a program with telemetry/spyware instead of installing on of the 1000s alternatives
[–] pjmlp 2 days ago
https://interestingengineering.com/culture/rip-microsoft-pai...
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Now that I'm on Linux, I use jspaint.app.
[–] boomlinde 2 days ago
I would use kolourpaint but for whatever reason overlaid GUI elements like the selection box and brush cursors leave trails on the canvas.
Fun anecdote, paint.exe crashed the other day just as I was finishing up my drawing of the tower of Babel.
[–] WarOnPrivacy 2 days ago
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[–] QuantumNomad_ 2 days ago
Anyway, I continued using layers and transparency/opacity. Pixel art was hard enough already for me, so I didn’t feel that it made sense to artificially make it even more difficult for myself at the time. I had enough other aspects of pixel art to work out already in order to try to get better at it.
[–] rkachowski 1 day ago
[–] breakwaterlabs 1 day ago
The point of paint is a tiny pixel editor. If you want layers there are better programs.
[–] card_zero 1 day ago
[–] Measter 1 day ago
[–] card_zero 1 day ago
There's this https://www.windowsphoneinfo.com/threads/why-does-resizing-m... (made confusing by the next person talking about Paint 3D, a different application) and this https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/3991946/... (made confusing by the person being an artist and talking in peanut butter metaphors).
There's some suggestion there that shapes (including lines) are separate entities from pixels. Wikipedia references a now-deleted answers.microsoft.com version of the first question https://web.archive.org/web/20250203164656/https://answers.m... with a couple of people saying that resize is useless. Wiki also says "re-copied" images blur, which is why I wondered if that meant pasting. Also this: https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/answers/questions/5673783/... a complaint that the tool for drawing pixels doesn't indicate exactly which pixel it will draw to.
[–] bombcar 2 days ago
[–] echion 2 days ago
[^1]: https://lawsofsoftwareengineering.com/laws/zawinskis-law/
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[–] JdeBP 2 days ago
[–] what 2 days ago
>june 2026
Pretty sure it would be May?
But in either case they had 91 releases that month?
[–] JdeBP 2 days ago
They're not a positional notation. It's version 11.2605.91 recently. It was 11.2605.81 earlier this year. There was an 11.2605.71 and an 11.2605.61 before that. Last year, there was a 11.2504.451 . The year before there was a 11.2402.32 .
Microsoft's versioning systems are not 4 columns where a tick around of one increments the one before it. The easiest way to think of them is madness made for marketing purposes. (Windows NT starting at 3.1, for example.) There is some logic to it, but nowadays it's often four entirely different things jammed together, ticking around independently. Like the version of Windows, the year and month of the release, and perhaps a daily build number or some such.
Windows NT itself has a monotonically increasing build number as part of its versioning that started some time in 1992 and is currently just over 26 thousand.
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[–] lossyalgo 2 days ago
Are you using Windows? If so, then yes.
[–] cowlevel 2 days ago
[–] protocolture 2 days ago
"No User Interaction"
Does that mean that paint doesnt have to be running?
Application being installed on a PC allows a specially crafted packet to arbitrarily execute code?
[–] to11mtm 2 days ago
0. My gut says this is somehow related to indexing/thumbnail rendering. But maybe I'm off base.
1. The 'no user interaction' could be related to (ironically) some background pre-indexing process that windows is doing on files inserted to folders.
1.1. LOL maybe their bullshit 'Windows Copilot' which is why the description is so vague, don't want to torpedo things worse than they already are.
2. It could also be, still in the category of 'well, ok they click on a share folder and the preview runs' or a weird edge thing.
2.1. But they aren't being that clear yet, probably because it's bad.
[–] protocolture 1 day ago
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[–] gruez 2 days ago
The Microsoft link doesn't mention this at all, so my guess it's "remote" in the sense that a zip file exploit is "remote"
[–] simiones 1 day ago
https://msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/vulnerability/CVE-20...
> How could an attacker exploit this vulnerability?
> An unauthenticated attacker could exploit this vulnerability by sending a specially crafted packet to an affected service over the network. Successful exploitation could allow the attacker to execute code on the target system. No authentication or user interaction is required..
[–] doubled112 2 days ago
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[–] dofm 2 days ago
This is some Eric-Cantona-level gnomic mysticism. I approve.
[–] charlieyu1 2 days ago
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[–] dathinab 2 days ago
not sure if the last time was also a RCE specifically, but this by far isn't the first "this shouldn't even be remotely possible" CVE in MS Paint
[–] lmc 2 days ago
[–] tomkarho 2 days ago
Could also be some kind of recall feature.
[–] novia 2 days ago
[–] dathinab 2 days ago
IFF there is a NSA backdoor it likely would be:
- not in paint, but something you can't disable/remove in hardened special purpose windows setups
- not be easily usable by 3rd parties, like some auth accidentally accepting some quite specific other password (e.g. due to some bug reading the expected hash from the wrong place) or similar
lets not forget as much as the NSA might want to spy on you they also want to keep China/Russia out of spying on US companies. A traditional RCE in paint is very counter productive for that.
[–] ranger_danger 2 days ago
One one hand they can actively try to work with companies to get secret back doors put in, sure. But I imagine that's not usually very successful. Lavabit chose to go out of business instead of doing so... I wonder who else is out there that we don't know about.
But we also have evidence that they actively look for, buy, and hoard, unknown (to the vendor) exploits for their own possible later use in case they need it for something.
I'm sure you can imagine that it's much more advantageous to keep collecting all kinds of different ways to get into a system in case one method is not applicable for any number of reasons.
[–] BowBun 2 days ago
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[–] gloosx 2 days ago
unfortunately it made some mistakes and didn't make everything secure.
im sure windows security will get better as models get better...
maybe in six months when we have AGI... . . .
[–] boomlinde 2 days ago
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[–] TZubiri 2 days ago
>Unproven
>Remediation Level
>Official Fix
>Report Confidence
>Confirmed
I really like these secondary scoring factors, not just scoring the vuln itself, but how it's being attacked.
[–] ajasmin 2 days ago
[–] hoppp 2 days ago
[–] Arainach 2 days ago
> An unauthenticated attacker could exploit this vulnerability by sending a specially crafted packet to an affected service over the network. Successful exploitation could allow the attacker to execute code on the target system. No authentication or user interaction is required.
[1] https://msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/vulnerability/CVE-20...
[–] hoppp 1 day ago
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[–] hoppp 1 day ago
Maybe you should self-reflect on why you are offended by my comment. You might learn something about yourself.
[–] Arainach 1 day ago
You haven't declared any privileged knowledge of this attack or MS Paint and have, on vibes, doubled down on what you assume must be going on despite other evidence.
It's a bad look.
[–] NooneAtAll5 2 days ago
[–] patrick_rtk 2 days ago
UI:N it is with no interaction ?
is it a cve mistake ?
[–] jdiff 2 days ago
> An unauthenticated attacker could exploit this vulnerability by sending a specially crafted packet to an affected service over the network. Successful exploitation could allow the attacker to execute code on the target system. No authentication or user interaction is required.
[–] akerl_ 2 days ago
Until somebody connects the dots on how the heck MS Paint is accessible over the network, I'm gonna maintain some pretty intense skepticism here.
[–] jdiff 2 days ago
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[–] sreekanth850 2 days ago
[–] CivBase 2 days ago
My take is that the addition of CoPilot to MS Paint is probably how this CVE got introduced.
[–] sreekanth850 2 days ago
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[–] imp0cat 2 days ago
> LLMs are now unfolding technical debt, poorly written code, and security vulnerabilities accumulated in software that they have created themselves.
[–] sreekanth850 2 days ago
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[–] falcor84 2 days ago
https://msrc.microsoft.com/update-guide/vulnerability/CVE-20...
[–] dboreham 2 days ago
[–] yread 2 days ago
> User Interaction: None
> Out-of-bounds read in Windows Paint allows an unauthorized attacker to execute code over a network.
[–] criddell 2 days ago
What server is MS Paint running or what services does it provide?
Edit: Apparently you can use it to print an image from the command-line. Is that how this is being exploited?
[–] 80fj0348i 2 days ago
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[–] Sohcahtoa82 2 days ago
Except for the infamous Dropbox comment.
[–] knottn 2 days ago
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[–] lakeviewterrace 2 days ago
>Publicly disclosed
>No
>Exploited
>No
>Exploitability assessment
>Exploitation Less Likely[–] 6thbit 2 days ago
But From [0]: > A total of 59 of the October CVEs fit my definition of wormable. Specifically, 57 contain both “An unauthenticated attacker could exploit this vulnerability by sending a specially crafted packet to an affected service over the network” and “No authentication or user interaction is required.”
Makes you wonder if MS is just copy-pasting boilerplate on CVEs and disclosed incorrectly the scope of the one in Paint because they had 56 other bugs to disclose.
So I'm not discounting reporting human error here, yet.
[0] https://www.zerodayinitiative.com/blog/2026/10/13/the-octobe...
[–] Matumio 2 days ago
Usually I just enable JS. But is this a security site, asking for remote code execution on my device? Before they can show me some text? They just disqualified themselves.
[–] tosti 2 days ago
But remote? How
[–] gregschlom 2 days ago
Still, the question remains... How?
[–] IanCal 2 days ago
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[–] nonethewiser 2 days ago
>The CVSS score of 8.1 marks this as a high‑severity RCE. The EPSS score is not available, and the vulnerability is not listed in CISA’s KEV catalog. Based on the description, the likely attack vector is remote: an attacker can deliver the malicious file over a network connection, for example via Remote Desktop, file shares, or other network‑exposed services that allow users to open images. The lack of EPSS data does not diminish the threat posed by a known RCE, but it does make precise likelihood estimation difficult.
[–] autoexec 2 days ago
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[–] jdiff 2 days ago
> After applying the update, verify that the target Windows systems are running a version that includes the CVE fix before disabling legacy file‑open processing in Paint.
Which is complete nonsense. "Legacy file-open processing" isn't a real configurable option in Paint and this seems to suggest that enabling it is some sort of mitigation. The resolution is simply to update Paint.
[–] Den_VR 2 days ago
[–] VorpalWay 2 days ago
Or are they chaining a browser auto opening a download in paint, (but browsers shouldn't do that)...
[–] augment_me 2 days ago
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[–] radicalbyte 2 days ago
Make a new product and bundle that as an option if you want to drastically change the functionality.
[–] waz0wski 2 days ago
> Notepad in Windows includes AI features powered by Copilot that help refine and shorten text with the assistance of GPT. By default, these AI features are enabled on managed devices
https://learn.microsoft.com/en-us/windows/client-management/...
[–] SV_BubbleTime 2 days ago
I mean… what else were the people working on Notepad and Paint to do!?
The order came down to integrate AI, and they wanted to be promoted.
Every single day I’m happier and happier than I use Linux now.
[–] angry_octet 2 days ago
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[–] 6thbit 2 days ago
Should be easy to verify for someone with a windows machine if it does.
[–] jdiff 2 days ago
So I guess either some random OS component is listening to the network and just-as-inexplicably asking Paint to do something for it. Or one of Paint's outbound connections is vulnerable if hijacked by a mitm. Network interception's one of the examples used for the "High" Attack Complexity rating that MS gave this CVE. Maybe powered by eMudhra for any systems that haven't revoked those certs? That'd be topical.
But still wouldn't really make sense. A patch for machines that are actively updating Paint but dodging cert revocations? Nothing really makes sense about this silly Paint CVE.
[–] TZubiri 2 days ago
Or maybe after the .bmp file is executed, it can install something that opens an outbound TCP connection to its C2, and thus can receive commands. Would not need admin privileges because it doesn't open a port, just 'outbound' connections, like a long-poll.
[–] jdiff 2 days ago
> The vulnerable system can be exploited without any interaction from any user.
[–] TZubiri 2 days ago
since it exposes no port, I’d assume it isn’t trivial to exploit, paint will chose its target (a microsoft domain or IP), the exploit must involve some error in destination selection, or simply allowing a mitm to impersonate microsoft.
this is inline with Attack Complexity High, attacker needs to be either in the network path (mitm) or control the erroneous destination of the connection (say mircosoft.com), possibly blocking (dosing) the higher priority genuine destination
[–] jdiff 2 days ago
[–] Sohcahtoa82 2 days ago
[–] drillsteps5 2 days ago
States:
> Attack Vector: Network
> The vulnerable component is bound to the network stack and the set of possible attackers extends beyond the other options listed, up to and including the entire Internet.
The way I read it is MSPaint is now running as a service and listens to a port (while running? all the time?) and you can trigger remote execute by sending data. Just.. Why?..
[–] caust1c 2 days ago
[–] darkamaul 2 days ago
[0] https://x.com/orange_8361/status/2115654643141489057?a=qallN...
[–] phendrenad2 2 days ago
[–] IFC_LLC 2 days ago
I just... It's just ridiculous at this point.
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[–] hotelsacher 2 days ago
Each time I learn something new about Microslop, I'm just glad I'm not a tenant.
[–] kittikitti 2 days ago
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[–] doublerabbit 2 days ago
Cross hatch, Scottish tartan?
[–] adzm 2 days ago
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[–] egeozcan 2 days ago
This is absurd.
We seriously need more information.