points by ainch 2 days ago | 0 comments
This matches my instincts too. When trying to debug ML learning pipelines or research projects, LLM suggestions I've received are almost always techically correct, but they point out small, tedious details which don't really matter. In my experience, they miss the forest for the trees.
I'm bearish that continued scaling will fully solve this. In the meantime though, as a commentor in the OP points out - by solving the menial stuff (building diagnostic tools, producing visualisations, scaffolding experiments) they're still proving to be extremely useful research assistants.
[–] bjornsing 2 days ago
[–] datsci_est_2015 1 day ago
For example, there's a model we have in production whose sensitivity has to be balanced based on which of our customers / partners is consuming its inference. It's a cat-and-mouse game where we are increasingly taking into account additional features to use in the model based on feedback directly from these customers and partners. Adjusting the model based on this feedback is much more art than science because there's really no "correct" adjustment to make, just an adjustment that produces inferences that convince our customers and partners that their concerns have been addressed.
Sure, we could encode every conversation that we've had both internally and across the internal<->external interface, both formal and informal, as text that an LLM could consume. But we find it much easier to just have a human (me, or one of my teammates) do the same thing and then guide an LLM to design a system that satisfies the requirements collected from those conversations.
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That being said, I'm equally amazed at the quality of suggestions that LLMs sometimes come up with for improvements to systems as I am dismayed by the complete dead-ends it sometimes hits when it doesn't have a good solution in its knowledge base. It's not limited to just ML topics, but also very esoteric things that have very little documentation or even contradictory documentation!
So yes, you're right that if the frontier model providers aim their reinforcement learning laser beams at improving a specific topic they will probably succeed. But, no, I don't think there's a panacea.
[–] ainch 1 day ago
This recent work which tried to get LLMs to reinvent methods they haven't seen before (given the same problem setting) also raised some of the same issues I've noticed in my own usage: https://epoch.ai/publications/innovationeval
[–] chr15m 2 days ago
[–] bjornsing 2 days ago
[–] user43928 1 day ago
This kind of post-training and improvements to the training pipeline is exactly what my guess would be.
Curated tasks where the efficient approach is incentivized over getting bogged down in details. This behavior should then generalize.
It seems like a much more likely explanation than the fantasies about illegally training on user data that I often read on HN.