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points by Animats 9 hours ago | 0 comments
Historically, that happens now and then. Examples include color television cameras and fluorescent lamp ballasts.

RCA developed the first good color TV cameras. They were monsters. Originally, electronic TV (as opposed to mechanical scanning) used Zworykin's iconoscope. This needed huge amounts of light. It didn't have a photo-multiplier stage to boost sensitivity, but it did accumulate charge from light over the whole frame time. There was an alternative approach, Farnsworth's image dissector, which also needed huge amounts of light. It had a photo-multiplier stage but only the light from the dot currently being scanned by the scanning beam mattered.

So RCA threw money at the problem. They developed the image orthicon camera tube. It combined the advantages of both approaches, integration over a full frame and a photo-multiplier stage. It was insanely expensive, costing thousands of dollars in the 1950s. It needed about twenty different voltages and multiple independent power supplies. It worked reasonably well.

Then came color. That took three image orthicons (RGB) inside a box the size of a small refrigerator, along with optics to split the incoming image into three colors. Plus a rack of analog electronics per camera, connected through a large cable. Plus an alignment problem from hell, with a huge number of adjustment knobs.[1]

Scaling worked! From the 1950s to the 1970s, color TV broadcasting was powered by those monsters.

Now, independent of this, other people were working on other approaches. Vidicons, silicon detectors inside camera tubes, and finally fully solid state image sensors. Eventually, in 1983, after thirty years of image orthicon monsters, RCA produced a usable solid state camera. Today, a cell phone camera costs about US$10 in bulk, and it's far better than the monsters.

It took thirty years of low-priority development to get past the giant image orthicon cameras.

Electronic fluorescent lamp ballasts had a different problem. That was a suppressed invention. The magnetic ballast industry was dominated by Magnetek. Someone invented a solid state replacement, which was smaller and cheaper, and licensed their patent to Magnetek for royalties. Magnetek just sat on it, not wanting to gut their core market. The inventor hired Townsend, Townsend and Crew in Palo Alto and sued. (Read this in the law firm's brag book in their office.) Eventually, the inventor got a hundred million or so, solid state ballasts went into production, and Magnetek seems to be gone. (The company called Magnetek today, which makes crane controls, is an offshoot of a Litton unit, and seems to be unrelated.)

There are also parallels from the steam locomotive industry, the Baldwin Locomotive Works being the best known. Baldwin actually built the first Diesel locomotive. They made a few half-hearted tries at Diesels over several decades, then gave up and went back to steam. Baldwin ceased all locomotive production in 1956. The corporation lingered on for a while, not doing much.

[1] https://www.tvcameramuseum.org/rca/tk40a/pix/rcatk40aart.pdf

[–] leoc 8 hours ago
(So it must be those Orthicon cameras which cause the distinctive weirdnesses of early TV images like the reflections from highly-polished surfaces (such as the bells of brass instruments and saxophones) which gleam black? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2uTQQKU6ge0&t=111s )
[–] sjdh76 5 hours ago
Its anywhere you have finite resources, time, people, knowledge etc and have to take a call on how to split them - Explore-Exploit Tradeoff.
[–] dcrazy 7 hours ago
The LA Times has an article on the Magnetek verdict: https://www.latimes.com/archives/la-xpm-1990-01-10-fi-282-st...
[–] Animats 6 hours ago
Nice, it got a press mention, with a quote from Crew, one of the law firm's partners.

Suppressed inventions are very rare, but that's one of them.

One of the few others is Airadar, from 1973.[1] Not "AI", "air radar". This was a phased-array radar for small aircraft. Way ahead of its time. So far ahead that the USAF was upset about it being available commercial before it was in use by the military.

[1] https://books.google.com/books?id=NWzlTqj0gQ4C&pg=PA64&lr=&r...

[–] Loquebantur 4 hours ago
Suppressed inventions aren't "very rare" per se. You simply don't hear about those that aren't being rescinded while the inventor is still alive.

According to official data from the U.S. Patent and Trademark Office (USPTO), there were 6,653 active secrecy orders in effect at the end of fiscal year 2026. Roughly 100 to 350 new secrecy orders are added every year. Many remain locked away for decades or more.

If the U.S. government puts a secrecy order on a patent application against the inventor's will, they are legally forbidden from talking about it. The inventor cannot talk about how it works, publish research on it, sell it, or market it. They cannot even discuss the exact classified details with a regular lawyer unless that attorney has the proper security clearance.

[–] alexgoodhart 6 hours ago
Why are you Claude
[–] leoc 7 hours ago
For as long as the big companies are committed to focusing on scaling LLMs it does seem reasonable that they don't want their overall efforts led by people like LeCun or Hassabis who don't particularly want to scale LLMs. But it does feel as if there's something a bit extra about many LLM maxis' active hostility to deviationists.
[–] geertj 7 hours ago
I think Hassabis’ position is far more nuanced than LeCun’s. From what I can see, LeCun believes LLMs are a dead end for AGI while Hassabis position seems to be that some new technique is needed combined with LLMs.
[–] nnurmanov 2 hours ago
I am not sure if LLMs will stay eventually, but I am totally sure that they will be used to develop new types of models