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points by loehnsberg 1 day ago | 0 comments
I think I’d prefered objectivity over calling it Western and thereby framing it as a "we against them". Getting factual answers is in everyone’s interest except for those who want to forge a false narrative for their own good, and as shown in past and present, the drive to influence a narrative by seeding false facts prevails in the West as much as in the East.
[–] spwa4 1 day ago
People keep making this point, because the west is not perfectly objective. And that's true, but when comparing to the CCP, there is no real contest. And this would be a competition between "western values" and CCP values. Between those 2, I'm going to go out on a limb and say western values are more objective.

After all, the CCP publicly points out it's faking China's published economic data. Presumably to avoid mistakes. Or ecological data. Or population data. Or ... Everything from employment figures to what is happening to groundwater near rare earth mines.

You see, for Chinese values the point of "truth" is NOT explaining reality or reasonable reactions, it's to illustrate that the CCP, and Xi Jinping in particular, is right. About what? Everything.

https://www.aljazeera.com/economy/2023/9/7/why-are-chinas-wo...

Apparently Nepal's security services are looking for a serious criminal: someone burned the book of truth at University!

[–] glimshe 1 day ago
How will a LLM know the "facts"?

Tell me a single source of information about world events that isn't biased in some way.

[–] jasomill 17 hours ago
Even firsthand experience is biased in many ways.

This doesn't meant that some sources of information aren't more trustworthy than others, or that you can't get a reasonable idea of what's going on by combining information from multiple independent sources.

For instance, I'd generally trust a statement of fact consistently reported by multiple wire services over conflicting information from official government sources, and I'd never trust any one source to tell "the whole truth", to the extent such a thing is even possible.