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points by whalesalad 1 day ago | 0 comments
Debian releases lag behind quite considerably. Debian 13 for instance comes out of the box with Python 3.13, whereas Ubuntu 26.04 LTS comes with Python 3.14.

I should note I am a Debian diehard been using it 20 years my main workstation is still on deb12 lol. But recently I have been pivoting away from Debian and towards Fedora. Running Fedora 44 on my Framework 13 Pro and my Chuwi N150 netbook and it has been very stable and pleasant. Relatively cutting edge, too. I am on KDE 6.8 for instance.

[–] dima55 1 day ago
PLEASE don't spread misinformation. Debian releases every 2 years (usually summer of odd years). During the summer of even years, Ubuntu takes what is in debian, makes a copy, and calls it their release. Thus they leapfrog. For python specificall, the main maintainer is even the same person in both. It's not possible for Debian to "lag behind quite considerably". Here's the current situation:

  dima@shorty:~$ rmadison python3
  python3    | 3.9.2-3       | oldoldstable | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386
  python3    | 3.11.2-1+b1   | oldstable    | amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, i386, mips64el, mipsel, ppc64el, s390x
  python3    | 3.13.5-1      | stable       | amd64, arm64, armel, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
  python3    | 3.14.7-3      | testing      | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, loong64, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
  python3    | 3.14.8-1      | unstable     | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, loong64, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x

  dima@shorty:~$ rmadison -u ubuntu python3
   python3 | 3.4.0-0ubuntu2    | trusty             | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el
   python3 | 3.5.1-3           | xenial             | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, powerpc, ppc64el, s390x
   python3 | 3.6.5-3           | bionic             | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, s390x
   python3 | 3.6.7-1~18.04     | bionic-updates     | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, s390x
   python3 | 3.8.2-0ubuntu2    | focal              | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
   python3 | 3.10.4-0ubuntu2   | jammy              | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
   python3 | 3.10.6-1~22.04    | jammy-security     | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
   python3 | 3.10.6-1~22.04.1  | jammy-updates      | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
   python3 | 3.10.6-1~22.04.2  | jammy-proposed     | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
   python3 | 3.12.3-0ubuntu1   | noble              | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
   python3 | 3.12.3-0ubuntu2.1 | noble-security     | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
   python3 | 3.12.3-0ubuntu2.1 | noble-updates      | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
   python3 | 3.12.3-0ubuntu2.2 | noble-proposed     | amd64, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
   python3 | 3.14.3-0ubuntu2   | resolute           | amd64, amd64v3, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
   python3 | 3.14.7-3          | stonking           | amd64, amd64v3, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
   python3 | 3.14.7-3          | tenacious          | amd64, amd64v3, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
   python3 | 3.14.8-1          | tenacious-proposed | amd64, amd64v3, arm64, armhf, i386, ppc64el, riscv64, s390x
The ubuntu server reporting this is super slow (one of a million paper cuts you suffer when you use ubuntu instead of debian). The latest Debian stable has 3.13.5 as you say. The latest ubuntu lts release (i.e. what anybody actually uses) was released a year later, and has 3.14.3. Next summer, Debian will be ahead. Also note that the current bleeding-edge ubuntu is 3.14.8-1, which is exactly the same as the bleeding-edge debian. Because they're copies of one another
[–] whalesalad 18 hours ago
nothing I said was wrong