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points by Aachen 1 day ago | 0 comments
> Then: \n\n either web admin notices and fixes website \n\n or people stop visiting them

Okay so let's say this is your site. You notice that Firefox gives a warning, you find the issue, remove the malicious dependency and roll out the new version. Now what? Who do you talk to to get unblocked?

I run a site that's on blocklists. There's no coming off of them once you're there (described elsewhere in this thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=50398014). These mechanisms are useful for sites that are unmaintained, but I'd not wish it upon admins that immediately respond to vulnerability or abuse reports

I can understand that most people are not aware of this though, just a bit frustrating to see the call for nuking it altogether. It's not what you'd do if one of these 15000 sites was Onedrive: you'd realise the solution is talking to Microsoft. Only when they don't fix their infection would it make sense to take their site offline

[–] jeroenhd 1 day ago
Most people use Chrome with default settings, maybe with some extra AV as well. These websites are going to get added to the list anyway.

Perhaps a coordinated attempt with CERTs or a basic attempt at email contact would be a good idea, but if emails are nowhere to be seen and there is no way to determine a relevant taskforce, reporting the domains seems like the obvious problem.

Getting blocklisted sucks, but so does identity theft, drive-by malware, and credit card fraud. Without things like SECURITY.txt or contact email addresses, there's not a lot more you can do to prevent these people from (unwittingly? intentionally?) spreading harm.

[–] theamk 1 day ago
Most of the people report different experiences. I like this blog post, it also directly answers who does one need to talk to to get website unblocked:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=47183953

and another one, this was restored in a few hours:

https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45538760

Now I am not saying it's a good thing there are so many blocklists, but there are sites who got onto them and then came back. I guess you are required to actually fix stuff, you can't just change nothing in your website and expect to be unblocked.

[–] Aachen 7 hours ago
That's just virustotal; that doesn't even scratch the surface unfortunately. My domain got taken down by a report to the registrar and the registrar having a faulty email server (I found that in my mail server logs afterwards) couldn't reach me (could have tried calling but I don't fault them). The reporter was netcraft, apparently considered reputable (the information they reported was false though, like they claimed a timestamp and continued hosting of a file that was not the case anymore at the claimed timestamp). Basically the worst one I had to deal with, yet they're not mentioned in the blog post. I don't know all the other names off the top of my head but I don't recognise any as vendors I've already tried to deal with so it's not a complete list by any means

Not all-or-nothing. Getting off of some lists will get you unblocked for 90% of clients, as presumably is the case for the ones you look, but perhaps not for this one security vendor used by the company you work for and so you can't use your own fricking website half the time

I appreciate the pointers though!