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points by talon8635 1 day ago | 0 comments
Would Chomsky have the name recognition and standing he has, or any at all, without his extracurricular political beliefs?
[–] NaiveEmpiricist 1 day ago
For decades, Chomsky was the most-cited author who still had a pulse. And a lot of that was for his political writing - maybe 2/3rds? But he still has a lot of cites for his intellectual work, in several different fields.

Linguistics, obviously.

Philosophers love him, because he always gives them an argument, and that's all they really care about.

There probably wouldn't even be cognitive science without Chomsky. And psychology is still responding to Chomsky's nuking of behaviorism in the 1950's.

So, there's a lot there, but admittedly most of it is for politics.

[–] jancsika 1 day ago
Without question.

Just look at his Wikipedia entry. He finished his dissertation in 1955, starting teaching at MIT the same year, and continued to publish seminal linguistic works over the next 12 years. That's all before he gained any notoriety whatsoever as a critic of the U.S.'s role in the Vietnam War.

Manufacturing Consent was published in 1988!

Additionally, I strongly doubt Chomsky had any "name recognition" all the way through to the late 90s. Outside of a single episode of Firing Line, where would the general public have heard his views?

[–] jibalt 14 hours ago
Chomsky was a prominent critic of the U.S. invasion of Vietnam and of intellectuals who abdicated their responsibility -- nearly everyone attending universities in the late 1960's knew of him.

That said, as a computer science student I learned of his hierarchy of formal languages before I learned of his politics.

[–] talon8635 10 hours ago
Was Manufacturing Consent about his professional linguistic research, or extracurricular politics?
[–] adamddev1 1 day ago
Every introductory book in theoretical computer science will have a discussion of the Chomsky language hierarchy. It is hugely insightful and helpful.
[–] suddenlybananas 1 day ago
Not with laypeople, but among cognitive scientists, absolutely.
[–] high_5 1 day ago
Yup, no regular expressions without his theory.
[–] crab2 17 hours ago
False, we owe them to Kleene, 1956.

A formal theory of finite automatons, both deterministic and non-deterministic, is due to Michael Rabin & Dana Scott, for which they received a Turing prize. 1959.

[–] jibalt 14 hours ago
grep was written by people who knew about regular languages and the Kleene star via Chomsky and via BNF used to describe Algol's syntax.
[–] jibalt 15 hours ago
I was a computer science student and an anti-war activist while at UCLA in the late 1960's. I learned of Chomsky's hierarchy of formal languages before I learned of his politics.

No offense but your question is terribly ignorant, naive, and biased. Just spend a few seconds reading his Wikipedia article.

[–] kenferry 1 day ago
I mean, his linguistic work was a very, very big deal