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points by pinkmuffinere 1 day ago | 0 comments
Some benchmarks to compare against:

Apple: 5 T

Google: 3.5 T

Meta: 1.55 T

Microsoft: 3.97 T

Berkshire Hathaway: 1.2 T

Eli Lilly: 1.28 T

Tesla: 1.38 T

Walmart: 1 T

Spotify: 125 billion

[–] bitmasher9 1 day ago
Anthropic sells intelligence, and the most intelligent intelligence.

Honestly crazy that we’re doubting 1T, even with all the capital issues behind it.

[–] cmiles8 1 day ago
Validation is all about assets and future earning potential. Anthropic’s core assets are a model which is shown every day now to be only marginally better than something that’s free. So that asset appears to have very little value. Their future earning potential depends on folks not figuring out they can get a good-enough result for free, only paying for compute. And Anthropic doesn’t own compute, they rent it.

So the whole valuation is based on the idea that folks will happily pay this company a huge markup for inference over the actual cost of compute for a model whose valuation is rapidly tending to zero. Hence why potential investors are starting to freak out.

[–] bitmasher9 1 day ago
In competitive environments, such as most businesses, marginally better is enough to create large advantages.

I just don’t see a world where everyone is happy buying the second or third smartest model. The people using the smartest will just out compete them, even if it is marginally more expensive.

[–] rescbr 1 day ago
> Anthropic sells intelligence, and the most intelligent intelligence.

Most intelligent is a stretch, we don't know how the Chinese architectures would fare if they had the same compute availability as Anthropic and other US labs.

If we extrapolate and consider that they are behind due to artificial export restrictions, once they figure out how to build their own GPUs in a cost-effective/scaled-up way then the American labs' claim of having the best intelligence is at an enormous risk.

They already do a great job being resource constrained, imagine once this constraint is gone!

[–] pinkmuffinere 1 day ago
I mainly doubt the moat, not necessarily the usefulness. Why will customers stay with anthropic? Many cheaper models seem to catch up within 6-12 months, and there’s also other flagship providers that keep pace and compete on cost (oai, Google). Why should I believe that anthropic’s revenue is going to stay consistent, and not evaporate to other competitors?
[–] bloppe 1 day ago
This is a very competitive market. You can't command fat margins in a very competitive market.
[–] rwmj 1 day ago
Huh? If a Chinese open weights model comes out that is nearly as good, the valuation drops to very little.
[–] bigstrat2003 1 day ago
If the justification for the valuation is "they sell intelligence", then their valuation should be $0. Because their product isn't the least bit intelligent, and routinely gets beaten by humans.
[–] origini 1 day ago
You can be as dismissive as you want but this doesn't reflect the reality.

I can easily spend a LOT less time on describing the same amount to claude than i would in a JIRA ticket and doing code review on the PR of Claude than talking to a person about it. Instead of 1-4 weeks Claude is done in an hour.

Its also already A LOT faster and better of analysing infrastructure issues.

[–] RunSet 1 day ago
Conservatives' undermining public education makes it inevitable that slop engines will surpass the intelligence of the average human, then double and treble it as the average human's intelligence continues to decline.
[–] origini 1 day ago
Probably also a huge problem but at least in the last 15 years of working, there was always at least 1 if not 2 people were i question how they were even in the industry to begin with and getting jobs.