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points by ttul 1 day ago | 0 comments

AI Studio is legitimately the worst UX experience on the internet. For a company with unlimited cash and the ability to hire the best talent, I just don’t get it. Give nearly anyone else a few hours alone with that codebase and Opus-5.5 and it will be looking 1,000x better.

[–] swores 1 day ago

> "AI Studio is legitimately the worst UX experience on the internet."

I find it hard to believe there aren't worse ones out there. But off the top of my head I actually can't think of any...

Quite incredible that you can say a sentence like that, while talking about something within Google(/Alphabet) that's actually an important area for them (not just some random little side project), and yet it isn't hyperbolic, it's sincere!

Everyone there overseeing it (from direct management all the way up to C-suite) should truly feel embarrassed.

[–] repeekad 1 day ago

At Google, impossible projects are possible and easy projects feel impossible.

Eric Schmidt even predicted the issue in How Google Works, there are "whales" who have no business staying in their role but have become so senior that they basically control entire small towns worth of people.

[–] reissbaker 1 day ago

> At Google, impossible projects are possible and easy projects feel impossible.

I wonder: is this still true? The impossible projects being possible part, I mean. What projects has Google done recently that would be impossible for other large tech companies like Meta, SpaceX, Nvidia, OpenAI, Anthropic, etc to do?

My sense is this used to be sort of true, but hasn't been true for a while. And the "easy projects feel impossible" part unfortunately does seem like it's still true, at least, looking in from the outside.

[–] solyin 1 day ago

It's not 2003 anymore. The one we'll never know is how would GitHub be doing if Google had bought them instead of Microsoft.

There's a difference between impossible projects are possible at Google, and no one else can do the impossible. If you really want to get into it, why didn't Google do Starlink? Project Loom was the shittier, cheaper version of Starlink.

What Google's done lately though is Waymo. Other companies are doing it too, but holy shit, computers can drive cars now?

The easy things are impossible just makes me want to link broccoli man though.

https://youtu.be/3t6L-FlfeaI

[–] newswasboring 1 day ago

I have the most naive question, why not change this if they know this? American companies regularly do restructuring and layoffs. Why can't these whales be dealt with that way?

Edit: I want to add I'm not naive enough to think they can just fire senior people willy nilly. I could have worded the question better but I hope people understand the spirit of it. I understand there must be reasons why this is hard to solve, I am looking to understand why it's hard.

[–] booty 1 day ago

It's difficult, if not impossible, to measure the impact of individual SWEs. The challenge of measuring the impact of managers in charge of large quantities of SWEs is surely an order of magnitude more difficult.

I imagine this is compounded by the fact that anybody who has risen to control of a fiefdom at a prestigious place at Google is surely highly intelligent, driven, and is either highly competent or at least highly adept at projecting competence. I can't imagine spectacularly obvious dunces rise to such heights at Google.

To be clear... I'm a million miles from Google and have zero inside knowledge, just speculating

[–] plaguuuuuu 1 day ago

It's not hard, it's just that silicon valley is obsessed with quantitative metrics, which are fucking stupid.

Just make a judgement call. It might be completely wrong a small % of the time, which is better than being mostly wrong all of the time.

[–] jack_pp 1 day ago

What's so tough about this though? Someone is responsible for this shit show, make them accountable. In the abstract you may be right but this isn't abstract

[–] DehuWang 1 day ago

they should be fired immediately (and never be recruited to touch any real product)

[–] GenerWork 1 day ago

Concurs is terrible.

[–] throwup238 1 day ago

The average SAP internal app is probably worse.

Off the top of my head: workaday

[–] booi 1 day ago

Workday looks horrible but at least it's functional. AI Studio is neither and I get a headache even thinking about using it

[–] senderista 1 day ago

ADP: looks like shit and doesn't work. Also, there are apparently no alternatives.

[–] reilly3000 1 day ago

“Myself” is the top nav item to see anything relevant.

[–] quietsegfault 1 day ago

Literally every internal IBM tool interface.

[–] akoboldfrying 1 day ago

Years ago I tried navigating the IBM website to download CPLEX (I think it was freely available for academic use, can't remember). I've forgotten the details now, but I still remember how bloated, slow and just plain bad that site was -- it felt like there were layers of unusability.

[–] kristofferc 1 day ago

I wanted to pay them money to try their things. I just literally couldn't figure out how to do it. I think I then managed to get some trial credits but I never managed to activate anything with them and hit API limit after basically one prompt.

[–] btown 1 day ago

Our team figured out the only stable way to do this was to either use OpenRouter for API, or for subscriptions, to get Ultra Gemini accounts on personal Gmail accounts (no way to do this for individual members of an org without upgrading the entire org!) and hook those to the Antigravity CLI which Claude Code can then orchestrate for second opinions.

Which are amazing! Argon’s insights on code review and copywriting are phenomenal, and make these hoops well worth it! But geez, it’s horrifying that we had to figure this out!

[–] theturtletalks 1 day ago

Are you sure about Argon? My experience has been it seems to understand code but it completely destroyed a couple of projects I was working on. Others like Theo used it to work on T3 Code and said it benchmaxxed and was atrocious.

[–] btown 1 day ago

We use it primarily in the context of a code reviewer, and it occasionally finds subtle security/workflow/backwards-compat issues that Claude and GPT do not. Claude makes final judgments on whether the findings are material and how they should be fixed.

Argon also tends to write particularly warm copy and external messages - unsurprising with Google's particular access to email data and caches of writing from the early internet.

We haven't really used it to write code from scratch - generally, we're wary of these exact things, and feel like Claude continues to have good enough architectural instincts that we've doubled down into the Claude ecosystem, with mods and tooling (including this multi-agent reviewer) that accelerate our workflows.

[–] tempest_ 1 day ago

A year ago I was trying their enterprise code offering and for the life of me I could not get it let me use a gemini 3+ model. I enabled everything in like 5 different interfaces and the GeminiCLI and UIs would only show me 2.5.

Eventually I gave up. Anthropic/OpenAI took < 10 minutes to get things going.

[–] Topfi 1 day ago

Slightly off topic, but I feel like pointing out that this is not limited to their recent/model offerings. I recently had to once again enable both Sign in with Apple and Google, yet despite having done so at least three times throughout my life (Auth0 back in the day, BetterAuth last year, now WorkOS AuthKit) and having access to modern models, it was an exercise in frustration, outdated official documentation and permissions errors that were beyond inconsistent, at least on the GCP side.

Enabling the same service via Apple Developers meanwhile took me minutes and I never felt lost, confused or frustrated.

Please, Google, just pick a random dev off the street and ask them to do something (that should be) simple on GCloud, then on e.g. Cloudflare. Analyse why they took longer (and cursed more) in GCloud and fix that. The fact that (despite Cloudflare having awful docs as well) my first ever Workers deploy including third-party DNS setup and R2 took less time then getting an API key from GCloud says something

[–] inemesitaffia 1 day ago

Azure did this.

[–] disgruntledphd2 17 hours ago

Those devs were clearly a lot smarter than me, then.

They do return their services if you search for the name of some AWS services, which is helpful.

[–] swaptr 1 day ago

I paid for their AI models on the app because I wanted to try the Gemini experience on my device but its utterly incohesive, I just cant use my subscription anywhere else. Anthropic is close but at least they started offering API credits recently so my workflows dont break, but with google man.... its a horrible experience. Won't renew, thats for sure.

[–] totetsu 1 day ago

Me too! I wanted to just make an api call to get my current spend on google models.. and like 50 steps of creating this and that and linking it to here and then giving it this and that permissions, and being told this isn't acruall real time, you've just set up a query to be run against your data into this new data lake, and come back and check tomorrow.. I still couldn't get anything to work..

[–] dovirk 13 hours ago

I enjoy the level of control AI studio gives me, especially over the context. I can easily branch a conversation into new sessions from anywhere, delete any message, and explicitly turn on/off web search.

Claude used to allow editing prompts which created branches, but imo it was a much crappier version of branching versus what I could do in AI studio. Alas, Anthropic have even removed that functionality for some reason (if someone knows how to branch in Claude please lmk).

Sometimes I just want to block off all web search and sample from LLM’s knowledge only. I guess I can tell Claude to not search the web, but I prefer doing it deterministically like AI studio.

I also like that I can set a different system prompt per session, and all my system prompts get autosaved for future use.

I find it quite surprising that with all this AI, my history of sessions is still such a mess despite my efforts to keep it organized (in both AI Studio and Claude). At least Claude finally added folders, but they are still buggy (for sessions older than a few months, for example).

[–] dilap 1 day ago

Yeah Tibo has a tweet where he talks about how he tried to do stuff at Google and they just wouldn't let him. Doesn't matter how much $ and talent you have if you are actively sandbagging them (and of course, for truly great stuff, you want the whole org from the very top driving you on, a la Musk or Jobs).

https://x.com/thsottiaux/status/2083596911060324570?a=iif1W7...

[–] rwillmann 1 day ago

> AI Studio is legitimately the worst UX experience

Their backend looks very confused too. I consume their models through OpenRouter and requests are processed randomly by AI Studio or Vertex. API key management had several entry points for a while too, with the option to query the same model with a GCP, Firebase and/or AI Studio API key.

[–] anentropic 1 day ago

isn't the random choice of AI Studio or Vertex a feature of OpenRouter?

you could pin the provider to always get one or the other

[–] svachalek 1 day ago

Interesting, I've noticed their safety controls are random and bizarre as well, which may depend where it gets routed. There are multiple ways for a request to fail, even for the same reasons, with different error codes and different messaging.

[–] brightball 1 day ago

Agreed.

When I signed a few devs at work up for Gemini for Code I had to go into Google Cloud, jump through several different screens, assign special permissions to each dev to make it work and even when it did work...it was insanely confusing compared to every other option out there.

It's to the point where I'm better off asking Grok Bot set it up for me rather than ever deal with figuring it out again.

[–] 80fj0348i 1 day ago

> the ability to hire the best talent

Is this true anymore? I feel like a lot of the best talent have better opportunities elsewhere where they won't get bogged down by entrenched bureaucracy. Not to mention the Google interview process and physical locations filter out a lot of talented people from even wanting to apply.

[–] roncesvalles 19 hours ago

>the ability to hire the best talent

No longer true. Not since CFO Ruth Porat IBMified the compensation policy in the name of efficiency. Btw this is exactly you can't get away with underpaying tech talent - something new will come along that threatens to eat your lunch and if your team doesn't have the best people, you're finished. And you can't reverse reputation erosion overnight - part of the attractiveness of taking a high-paying job is that everyone knows you're being paid high.

[–] hintymad 1 day ago

> AI Studio is legitimately the worst UX experience on the internet

This. There are so many hoops to jump, so many links to click, so many pages to read. I just don't know why people would even bother with it.

My guess is that some GCP's VP won the argument that Gemini must go through AI Studio. These VPs don't use their product, so they don't give a shit about UX. As for their engineers and product managers? Well, that beats me.

[–] pea 1 day ago

Agreed. One genuine question I have is: how is this not a five alarm fire at Google? What are the set of constraints that have made this unable to be solved?

The effort to fix it vs. the risk seems weirdly asymmetrical. Why do all the hard things right and then trip up at the last hurdle?

[–] andsoitis 17 hours ago

> For a company with unlimited cash and the ability to hire the best talent, I just don’t get it.

You also have to hire for taste.

[–] neuronexmachina 1 day ago

I love when my kid and and I are using AI Studio to make tower defense games, and it tries to squeeze in reasons to make Gemini API calls. No, I don't want a Gemini-populated random news ticker in my tower defense game.

[–] muzani 1 day ago

Ironically, Gemini is excellent with UI/UX, and somehow they can't use it to improve themselves.

[–] tempest_ 1 day ago

If you have ever worked for a large company you can quickly imagine why they cant execute. Google is old now and entrenched. We will see how long it takes them to become IBM/GE etc. (if they are not already headed that direction).

Do they still have 5 messaging apps or did they finally trim it down.

[–] vehemenz 1 day ago

It's odd that everybody recognizes this, yet these huge institutions keep hiring as if they're at the cutting edge. You could grab people off the street to fix the obvious problems, but they're not "qualified." The people pushing out shitty products somehow are, though.

[–] mrieck 1 day ago

They're banned from using Opus-5.5 or other competitor models so they can't fix it.

[–] lunarboy 1 day ago

Opus 5.5 and Fable 5.1 are available now

[–] mlmonkey 1 day ago

> and the ability to hire the best talent

unfortunately, the so-called "best talent" is being hired in management, not engineering or design or UX. :-(

[–] vehemenz 1 day ago

> For a company with unlimited cash and the ability to hire the best talent

This could be used as a preface for so many things.

[–] csallen 1 day ago

What's wrong with it? I haven't used it, just curious to hear its faults

[–] nout 1 day ago

What about Workday? That's the standard in terms of horrible experience.

[–] troupo 1 day ago

> For a company with unlimited cash and the ability to hire the best talent, I just don’t get it

It's been a baffling question for over a decade (or more)

[–] zarmin 1 day ago

>For a company with unlimited cash and the ability to hire the best talent

Right. They lack no resources. Therefore, what is happening must be what they want to happen.

[–] anon84873628 1 day ago

No, it's exactly because of the copious resources.

Vertex AI existed as an ML platform before the GenAI era. DeepMind was doing it's thing in another silo. Then Gemini products came along. Then they acquired the Windsurf folks.

A smaller company would have no choice but to focus on one team and one product. Google has a Darwinian ecosystem and someone has to come along and smash teams together, clumsily refactoring the technology and user journeys.

Their employees read HN though and their VPs hear customers complain about onboarding. I hear there is an effort underway to create one unified agentic platform.

[–] zarmin 1 day ago

they are certainly aware of the complaints. but no one is forcing them to release half-baked garbage. they are choosing to. no one is forcing them to smash teams together. they are choosing to. no one is forcing anything; google is making its own decisions. this is not new, especially not from google. therefore, what we experience must be what they want. i just don't see how anyone can reasonably conclude anything otherwise.

[–] inopinatus 16 hours ago

Youtube does not order search results correctly, for which there are only two root cause explanations available: they are halfwits, or they are assholes. For many years I assumed the latter, but these days I’m equivocal, so maybe it’s both.

[–] boelboel 11 hours ago

It's actually insane, I can't find anything with more than 5 views for some terms (as in it only shows videos with no views when searching topics which i know are popular). I mostly assume that their management is so awful that different departments somehow make things completely unusable every now and then.

[–] techmunky 1 day ago

I've worked in some pretty big global orgs. Everything was decided by committee which meant that everything had to work for everybody, which meant that everything was shit. I spent some of the best years of my life building and rebuilding the same bullshit. I think I shipped a handful of truly novel experiences in that time (probably about one novel feature every 2 years) but the rest was beating a dead horse to make the experiences we already had "better."

Eng was neutered at that large org. Product people had the "vision" and the say. A lot of product people just used our team's product as a stepping stone onto their next role and in the end it showed. I would hope Google has a better culture...but theres a good chance it doesn't.

[–] Imustaskforhelp 1 day ago

Google has an near monopoly on Internet ads (or rather a duo-poly combined with Facebook). Having such an monopoly makes them have hindsights on what they are doing and how they are failing, or even if they do, the incentives and management just aren't cleanly aligned with what ought to be the case.

[–] adventured 1 day ago

Google has always been a bunker corporation, they exist only on shielded campuses and never interface with normal people or reality. One of the additional consequences of never concerning themselves with providing customer service for most of their products. They have no idea what's actually going on on the ground, until long after it has shaken the world (ChatGPT). They're deeply isolated from the front and from proper feedback iteration mechanisms.

[–] sumtechguy 1 day ago

wow that is a really good way to describe it.