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points by matheusmoreira 1 day ago | 0 comments

This will keep happening so long as GrapheneOS is a "niche" operating system. We need to build up economic leverage by increasing GrapheneOS usage numbers until they can no longer afford to block it.

[–] TFNA 1 day ago

An OS available either for one Google product line or for a phone costing over 1000€ from Motorola, will never reach usage numbers high enough to change corporate policy on business grounds. (It may happen some executive within the company is just sympathetic to libre software even where there are no business pressures, but that's a long shot.)

Anyone who has been around in the free-phone community in the last decade-plus would recognize such idealism as mistaken and never once borne out in practice.

[–] bubblethink 1 day ago

That is true as a market solution, but ideally this should be guaranteed by regulations.

[–] matheusmoreira 11 hours ago

I agree. Remote attestation must be banned and computer freedom must be guaranteed by law.

[–] theandrewbailey 1 day ago

Isn't Motorola releasing phones with GrapheneOS next year? It should vastly increase the number of users.

[–] signed-log 1 day ago

It will be compatible but it won't come stock as they would breach their Google license (which is why you never see or never saw a pre-rooted phone sold by any official brand)

[–] VortexLain 1 day ago

They are releasing a phone with official GrapheneOS support, but the operating system has to be reflashed by the user, and this phone will cost around $1,700.

[–] matheusmoreira 1 day ago

Yes, but that's still a massive improvement. The phone will be much better than Pixels, and unlike Google, Motorola is actually capable of selling the phones worldwide.

[–] seanw444 1 day ago

The biggest problem is the price. I don't personally know anybody who would buy a phone that expensive. I was super interested in upgrading to it from my Pixel 7 Pro back when it was rumors. But I guess I'm gonna have to wait for a while for the price to go down.

[–] matheusmoreira 1 day ago

It is! I'm gonna buy it as soon as it comes out.

[–] dingaling 1 day ago

Whilst also increasing usage numbers for LineageOS and /e/os etc etc

We should be encouraging banks to support the platform, not specific distros.