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points by whycome 2 days ago | 0 comments
I'm realizing what an utterly wild English language word "psychophysics" is for new learners. It's so many conflicting sounds and rules in one.
[–] schoen 2 days ago
Pretty much all of the difficulty arises from the transliteration of Greek ψ, υ, χ, and φ, and then inconsistent pronunciations of these letters themselves in loanwords (including pronouncing υ as both /aɪ/ and /ɪ/)!

That's not to say that it's not very tricky, just that the difficulty kind of arises from one core reason.

Edit: OK, one s as /s/ after the c and another s as /z/ between vowels is also tricky and doesn't have to do with Greek.

[–] photon_garden 2 days ago
> OK, one s as /s/ after the c and another s as /z/ between vowels is also tricky and doesn't have to do with Greek.

The English plural suffix follows a standard pattern:

It’s voiced (/z/) after voiced sounds and voiceless (/s/) after voiceless sounds. That’s why it shows up as /s/ at the end of “physics” (/fɪzɪks/). /k/ is voiceless.

The -ics ending of physics comes from a plural.

No helpful pattern underlying the middle “s” unfortunately.

[–] schoen 2 days ago
Yes, there's a general voicing assimilation to the preceding phoneme for both -s and -ed! (plus an additional epenthetic vowel insertion if the suffix consonant is too similar to a preceding consonant) It took me a long time to learn this because I am a native speaker and did it automatically without thinking or initially without even noticing that it was realized differently in different contexts in the first place. It's a really fun example of how we can do fieldwork on ourselves (gather a lot of data and try to derive the rule).