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points by cyphar 3 days ago | 0 comments
To be fair (as the sshole site mentions) it is also necessary to fake a password hash check to avoid timing side channels revealing to remote clients whether users exist, so returning a sentinel value is not a horrifically unreasonable solution to make sure even naive code does approximately the right thing.

Though I am surprised that all of the code examples do not use constant-time strcmp(). Actually, I wonder if even constant-time strncmp() would still leak information about whether the account is disabled because in that case both arguments are much shorter? Food for thought.

But yeah, the crypt(3) API is very 80s C, the man page even features a lengthy description of a long-deprecated and utterly broken hashing algorithm using DES that is even implied to be broken in the text itself (and the warning message is so old it refers to "parallel computers" as though they were a new concept). Given that the default mode is to use a broken hashing algorithm, I'm shocked anyone actually uses the libc crypt(3) -- surely it's trivial to just write your own that isn't awful...?

[–] mik1998 3 days ago
Constant time strcmp doesn't fix it. The problem is that the user doesn't have a password at all (the hash is *). But which hashing algorithm is used is encoded in the password. So they pick a different user's hash to not leak the information that there is no password. Alternate solution would be to hardcode a specific algorithm, but that could also leak info in many cases, I guess.
[–] cyphar 2 days ago
No, I get that -- my first point was meant to allude to that but maybe it wasn't phrased particularly well. The bit about constant-time strcmp() was about comparing the hashes afterwards, which was a classic attack to extract the password hash for offline cracking (though salts probably make it untenable?).

In any case, the fact you need access to an existing hash to not select something stupid like DES is all due to crypt(3) being a wacky API and while callers could work around it by selecting more reasonable defaults it's a pretty big foot gun.

[–] sysguest 2 days ago
hmm why not make some fake-users just for this stuff?
[–] forthac 2 days ago
you mean like daemon?