No error handling scheme can fix that problem. For instance, if a Rust API says I should return a Result<String, ENOSYS>, I can always write code like `if(ENOSYS) { return Ok("*") } instead of returning Err(ENOSYS).
Then my code would be compatible with MUSL.
[–] zbentley 2 days ago
[–] hedora 2 days ago
Also, in things like rust you can just do result.unwrap() if you want. In general, language constructs don't really save you from bad programmers.
[–] jstanley 2 days ago
But it crashes at runtime, so such a bug can exist for years with nobody noticing.
The existence of such bugs is what motivated the musl developers to return "*" instead of NULL.
[–] zbentley 2 days ago
In practice, that's less of a risk than:
char* x = function_that_might_return_null_and_error();
dangerous_function();
if (x == NULL) {...}
Or code for which pointer identity is relevant (e.g. accessing slices/subparts of a data structure): char* x = returns_null_or_a_slice_pointer(data_structure);
char* y = other_function_that_returns_null_or_a_slice_pointer(data_structure);
if (x == y) { puts("you're fucked now!"); }
And for sure there are much better ways to write both kinds of code! But people routinely do not do that.[–] hedora 1 day ago
x : Result<string, err> = function...
dangerous_function();
switch(x) {
Ok() ...
Error() ...
}
There's no difference between result and null other than readability (there's a mechanical transformation between the two, where you use unwrap() in rust on an unchecked null dereference, and you read errno in C instead of looking inside the Err() result variant).To be clear, I strongly prefer Result<> because of the readability, but any dumb thing you can write with NULL + errno can be written with Result (and vice versa).
[–] dns_snek 2 days ago
You can do that but it's going to feel bad to write that and it's going to stand out like a sore thumb to anyone who reads it. But "errno" is just ambient state that's completely invisible unless you happen to have the manpage fresh in your memory.
[–] hedora 2 days ago
if(ENOSYS) {
return "*";
}
after seeing that other implementations use different sentries like "*0" and that the spec says they MUST return NULL. That must have felt bad too.
The only reason this library did the insane thing of returning "*" is because it was extremely easy to cause crashes or false-positives (NULL == NULL) by returning NULL+errno. The reason that was easy is because C lacks a means of making error handling mandatory (exceptions, tuple returns, tagged unions, whatever).
If you return a tagged union, users might mis-handle it, it's true (https://blog.cloudflare.com/18-november-2025-outage/). But they have to handle it, which is a requirement that C APIs are incapable of providing.