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points by eqvinox 2 days ago | 0 comments
No. That's not within the design function of the roots.

It's very much part of the design that roots and caches are separated. The security properties necessary between root and cache (authenticity) are fulfilled by DNSsec, not DoT/DoH (primarily privacy). And most TLDs are DNSsec signed, so this part is in fact OK. (Both give some level of tamper protection, in a different manner though.)

You're probably saying this because you run a local cache directly against the roots. If you need DoT/DoH, you shouldn't be doing that and rather forward your queries to a cache somewhere else.

(To make sure there's no misunderstanding here: DoT and DoH do absolutely nothing to guarantee the data you're getting is what the roots/TLD/owner published. It only ensures you're talking to the cache you think you're talking to. The cache can serve to you whatever it wants.)

[–] johnhtodd 2 days ago
I agree with your reply - root servers don't do DOT or DOH for recursive queries. However, there are experiments already under way for a few root servers to support DOT for authoritative results to recursive resolvers, and that is really encouraging for this kind of discussion of interception/blocking. See https://dnsprivacy.org/adox_status_and_deployment/ for more details.
[–] eqvinox 2 days ago
sigh

The end result of this will be ISPs dropping all traffic to port 853.

[–] tripdout 1 day ago
But why can’t it do both?