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points by TFNA 3 days ago | 0 comments

Are they really excellent? Kebab shops elsewhere in Europe are often associated with shady dealings. For example, in Finland a family will run one for a while for immigration fraud (while also dodging taxes), then hand it on to another immigrant family for rinse and repeat. Naturally, they serve the lowest-quality food they can get away with. In Poland many are owned by a mafia using exploited Bangladeshi labour to operate them with zero concern for food quality.

Modern döner-kebab meat is rarely the quality shawarma of a century ago. It is highly processed and basically a big hot dog.

[–] asdff 3 days ago

Are you saying a hot dog flame kissed and scraped off with a knife and dumped into a pita with some yogurt/garlic/mayo/what have you sauce would not be delicious? Come on. People outside the US act all high and proud about the hot dog but literally every meat eating culture has some other scrap meat dish, sometimes its the whole anus rather than minced and put in a casing for you. Waste of the animal to throw out fine meat if prepared well.

[–] TFNA 3 days ago

Cultures may have traditional offal-based dishes, and indeed they can be delicious, but the meat is not highly processed, because that is something that came about only with modern industry. Just compare a photo of a hot dog or döner-roll mystery meat to one of those traditional dishes.

[–] asdff 2 days ago

Not much different than mincemeat kebab actually.

[–] slowin 3 days ago

Yes, they are really excellent.

> Kebab shops elsewhere in Europe are often associated with shady dealings.

No they are not, but there's a lot of racist propaganda that says they are!

[–] TFNA 3 days ago

The press coverage and statements by police and tax officials are there for you to read. To get you started, here's one [0] from Finland's public broadcaster that is hardly a bastion of "racist propaganda".

[0] https://yle.fi/a/74-20191372

[–] slowin 3 days ago

I mean that absolutely reads as racist propaganda!

> "All types of misconduct are clearly more common in foreign-owned companies,"

Spare me, anywhere with bankers hanging out is going to be an endless sea of far more serious crime.

None of this has anything to do with food quality anyway, which was my point.

[–] jryle70 3 days ago

The quote was from Finland tax authority. Are you saying they are racist?

> anywhere with bankers hanging out is going to be an endless sea of far more serious crime.

In Finland? Examples?

[–] slowin 2 days ago

> The quote was from Finland tax authority. Are you saying they are racist?

Yeah.

[–] lifestyleguru 3 days ago

Kebab stores, local entrepreneurs unwilling to hire a local and pay EUR 1500, private universities, slumlords. That's how immigration and visa frauds operate in Poland, yes. Then immigration and visa fraud is only on the surface, behind there is likely some more serious organized crime.