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points by brainless 4 days ago | 0 comments
A lot of established engineers are using LLMs. I am not sure why that is still a stigma. Our industry is going through major changes, that is well established. I would be surprised if someone is not using LLMs to produce cool experiments.
[–] F3nd0 4 days ago
> I am not sure why that is still a stigma.

> isn't the whole point of these one month challenges(genuary, nodevember, inktober, etc) about human creativity? Like game jams?

[–] handoflixue 4 days ago
Human creativity goes into "what to build", not "how to build it".

A Photograph is, mechanically, 100% machine-created. But we still call photographers "creative" for their work on picking what to photograph, how to frame it, timing the shot, etc..

Honestly, I think it's wonderful that editors are finally getting some credit for the creativity they bring to the process. There's plenty of writing about how famous films like "Star Wars" often owe a lot to their editing, even though that traditionally doesn't get credited as "creative" work.

[–] staffordrj 3 days ago
Is someone who commissions a painting considered creative?
[–] zamadatix 3 days ago
Creativity is defined by what one did in the creative process, not whether you did something else outside of the creative process or not. I.e. if the only thing you do is say "make me a piece of art, I'll pay you $x" then you had 0 creative involvement. Not because you paid for it, but because of the lack of doing anything during the creation process.

The same is true of using any tool. If you just click a premade and generic "process photo" button in an image editor for every photo you get then you're doing no creative work (unless that whole action is a meta statement itself or something). If you mess with the different options and settings to find the one which matches your creative vision then you've played a part in the creative process, even if you weren't the one responsible for the code of how the pixels changed and paid for the software to do that part.

To LLMs directly, if you just say "make me some art" then you've done nothing creative as well. If you iterate and mess around with what you like until you get something you find interesting, then you've played, what seems to me, the biggest part in the creativity process of that output (which has nothing to do with where the code to match that vision of the output came from). I think LLMs and creativity can be confusing because "make me some art" will produce something that, at a glance, looks very much like we'd expect creative art to look like (regardless the reason or if it actually is), and we often falsely jump to the conclusion anything that looks creative out of an LLM must therefore only ever be able to source from the LLM. This would be like assuming because an image editor has that generic "process photo" button one can never do anything creative with an image editor.

[–] brainless 3 days ago
Commissioning a painting, if it needs describing a scene, a thought or some direction, then yes.

This is literally what photographers do. Most do not even deal with exposure or any other setting. "Auto".

[–] xgulfie 3 days ago
Revered photographers do a lot more than push a button. But I agree pushing a button and getting a result without much thought or effort generally doesn't make for an interesting creative work, most professional photographers would agree too
[–] weakfish 3 days ago
> Most do not even deal with exposure or any other setting. "Auto".

Professional ones, this is completely incorrect. Maybe hobbyists? But even then, not many.

[–] xgulfie 3 days ago
> Human creativity goes into "what to build", not "how to build it".

This is nonsense, right? If I decided "hey wouldn't it be cool if there was a really interesting painting of a dude" that isn't an interesting creative expression

[–] handoflixue 3 days ago
Explore the editing angle: do you really think that absolutely nothing of artistic value would be lost if we just stopped editing films entirely? Or is it clear that an editor can bring value simply by offering input?

Certainly the extent of the input matters - "cool art of a dude" is a very generic concept, but at a certain point, just writing the idea down has to count as creative, because otherwise books are all uncreative.

[–] xgulfie 3 days ago
> Explore the editing angle:

I am not ChatGPT, do not talk to humans like this. I am not obligated to think for you.

[–] acedTrex 3 days ago
> Human creativity goes into "what to build", not "how to build it".

I dont know if i've ever seen a message miss the point more than this one.

[–] embedding-shape 3 days ago
If I enter a "Make pottery" monthly challenge locally, and show up with a robot that produces mugs, I'm sure it'd spawn some interesting conversation nonetheless, but I'd also expect the organizers to tell me I didn't quite get the spirit of what they're doing.

It's pretty much the same here. The purpose of these "jams" or "challenges" isn't to see if LLMs can do those things, obviously they can, we all know this already. The point is for you to personally challenge yourself, and improve yourself. That's the spirit at least.