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points by frankacter 4 days ago | 0 comments
If that's important to you, there's an option to allow using a local account during setup by dropping to command line and setting a flag. Pretty straightforward if that's your only deal breaker.

I just recently installed Windows 11 on a computer and this is the steps that I followed

https://rtech.support/guides/bypass-11/

It's two steps:

1) During Windows setup you push Shift-F10

2) It opens a command prompt and you type OOBE\BYPASSNRO

When you hit enter it reboots and allows local mode.

Microsoft should not have hidden this away like they have and it should be an option for everyone installing Windows, and I recognize this isn't a solution for the non-technical user.. but for you specifically if it's something you're comfortable doing, it's an option to allow you to avoid having to use a Microsoft account when installing Windows.

[–] OuterVale 4 days ago
I know that a lot of tech folks consider it a non issue because it is 'easy' to fix if you know the bypass and your way around the more inner workings, but broadly this isn't really an answer to the problem.

If we always just say 'Oh, well, if you do XYZ then you can manage to do A despite B' then we're eroding our control and agency. Slowly the bypasses will phase out, as they have slowly been in this case, and then we're really in a poor state.

I had a tech support client who came to be because they valued their privacy and didn't want an account but who had no idea how to make that happen. They didn't even really know what to be looking for.

[–] superkuh 4 days ago
Not only that, if someone has a tech knowledgable person set up their Windows 11 computer without online accounts MS updates will cause it to spam the tech-ignorant person owning that computer with misleading pop-ups saying they need to press this button to do $x thing. Which then secretly sets up online accounts which automatically and silently enables drive encryption. Which causes it to go to a bluescreen saying to go to some shady looking URL at aka.ms and type in a long code that appears on your blue screen only broken computer. It's basically ransomware. This is not some theory, I had this happen to a sewing machine laptop I set up for my mother.

And yes, I later learned that aka.ms is a real Microsoft URL. But when it was first described to me it sounded exactly like ransomware and had exactly that effect.

[–] frankacter 4 days ago
I'm by no means suggesting it's normal or that I think it's okay Microsoft removed the native ability.

You're right that I probably made an assumption that someone posting on hacker News would have the technical ability to hit a keyboard combination and type a command on a command line and hit enter, which is essentially what's required currently to utilize the local account ( https://rtech.support/guides/bypass-11/ )

My reply was intended as more of a direct message to OP, as opposed to general advice I think every end user should know and follow. I should have been more clear.

[–] kencausey 4 days ago
I would appreciate a link to the details about 'setting a flag.' The last version of that I used earlier this year stopped working in recent months, and I believe I saw tech news stories to the effect that Microsoft had intentionally closed that path.

For now I just use a customer-supplied email address which I used to setup a Microsoft account, setup Windows and use that account, immediately create a local-only 'admin' account with full rights, delete the online associated account, and start creating user account(s) from there.

[–] O_H_E 4 days ago
I had recently had to install windows for the first time in years, did some chatting with mr gpt and poking around on reddit until I arrived at: https://massgrave.dev. They guide you on how to download windows LTSC from the "official" Microsoft links. So much less crap shoved down the system, it's kind of nice.
[–] frankacter 4 days ago
Great point. It is the ONLY way I would use Windows on my computers. I just use the media builder from Microsoft directly:

https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/software-download/windows11

There are also community projects like NTLite ( https://ntlite.com/ ) and Windows ISO Debloater ( https://github.com/itsNileshHere/Windows-ISO-Debloater ) for the more technically advanced that want full control to prevent the bloat from even making it to your machine during installation at all (instead of having to clean it up after the fact)

[–] frankacter 4 days ago
I just recently had to install Windows 11 fresh on a computer and this is what I used

https://rtech.support/guides/bypass-11/

I have a Microsoft account, but I prefer to use a local account to avoid a lot of the "value add" that comes from using the Microsoft account.

[–] mrheosuper 4 days ago
It's not about technical, it's about their view and mindset.
[–] vor_ 4 days ago
That doesn't sound like something that counts as an easy option.
[–] frankacter 4 days ago
If someone is already setting up Windows manually themselves, I believe they're already at some level of technical ability.. but as I pointed out in another comment, my reply was specifically to OP who I made an assumption had some technical ability given that they're here on hacker News. Maybe that assumption is wrong and I recognize that.

That said, the process is:

1) while installing Windows press shift f10

2) a command prompt will open and you type OOBE\BYPASSNRO

When you hit enter the computer will reboot and allow local mode.

I fully recognize that this is a hidden option that most people don't know about, but if you do, it seems pretty straightforward to me for someone that's already at a level where they're comfortable manually installing Windows, but I recognize I have an blind spot due to my own technical abilities.

[–] everdrive 4 days ago
Until they drop an update and retroactively force the creation of an online account. This is a game of cat and mouse that even the tech-savvy will eventually lose.
[–] 1718627440 3 days ago
Then you just reset the VM back.
[–] BLKNSLVR 4 days ago
Just ignore the sign saying "Beware of the leopard".
[–] redundantly 4 days ago
I hope you enjoy not being able to use the Ctrl-Alt-Delete menu to reset your password, because bypassing OOBE breaks that functionality.
[–] fodkodrasz 4 days ago
Could you back this up? I did lots of unattended install without having to fill OOBE, and the Ctrl+Alt+Del menu always worked.

I'd recommend creating a sysprep answer file (with LLM's its pretty easy, also rufus can do it) instead of the trick mentioned above.

[–] dantastic 4 days ago
I've used this tool with great success for both W10/11 to do unattended installs instead of asking an LLM: https://schneegans.de/windows/unattend-generator/
[–] vbezhenar 4 days ago
This method does not work in current home installer. And they also closed other loopholes.
[–] frankacter 3 days ago
I just used it with the last official build media from Microsoft over the weekend.

Which part failed for you?

Couldn't open a command prompt? Error entering the command.

Note the command is case sensitive.

[–] 4k93n2 4 days ago
i couldnt get that to work the last time i tried but i ended up using rufus to burn the ISO which gives you options to turn off the microsoft account. it even disables the tpm2.0 check so you can install it on older hardware if you want to