points by dannyw 4 days ago | 0 comments
They're already kinda protected, open weight releases rarely come with datasets, especially post-training datasets. NVIDIA is probably the exception.
I also wonder when the NSA starts sharing their wiretaps/etc with labs for 'national security'. Probably already happening, to be honest.
[–] Retro_Dev 4 days ago
[–] dannyw 4 days ago
I should’ve been more specific, I mean more industrial espionage and getting access to internal data that would be useful to frontier labs for training.
See the well-documented case of NSA conducting espionage against EU’s Airbus to help Boeing.
[–] dlwh 4 days ago
NVIDIA has done great work with the open datasets and they're much appreciated, but it's worth mentioning that a large fraction of their post-training data is not released. cf. https://huggingface.co/nvidia/NVIDIA-Nemotron-3.5-Super-VL-1... But at leased they disclosed what wasn't released.
[–] edot 4 days ago
Wrong direction. NSA says “give us the weights to Fable and loan us some engineers who can get a TS-SCI clearance so we can train our own model in house, if you don’t well just take them, in fact maybe we already did, it’s for national security”.
[–] lnkdinsuxs 4 days ago
No, NSA programs are not SCI, haven't been for a few years. They are SAP.
NSA doesn't have to post train Fable. Maven works well enough and that same infra. can be used for Fable. I imagine that's what's going to happen in 2 years once the current admin. moves out.
What would this benefit the NSA? If they share wiretap records with labs such as Anthropic, then suddenly anyone who can jailbreak a model gets access to this data. You don't need to train a model on data to understand or interpret it, as far as I know - providing others (esp. AI labs) with sensitive data is a breach of security, or I am not understanding.