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points by ceejayoz 5 days ago | 0 comments

That's the same argument Microsoft made with Internet Explorer.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_v._Microsoft_Cor....

A lot of these schools use tablets though. The kids probably use their phones so more likely to be google. Higher grades though use laptops I think so more likely Microsoft then. So far internet explorer is not integrated with Ai but microsoft copilot though is 100% ai and can be used for search.

[–] ceejayoz 5 days ago

I'm not talking about Copilot, I'm talking about IE6 back in the 90s, where Microsoft took the "oh woe is us it'll be so hard to undo the deep unnecessary integration we built for this very purpose" tactic.

[–] silverFork 5 days ago

I agree with that view point.. yup

[–] frankharv 5 days ago

Billy Gates swore on a bible that Internet Explorer could not be removed and lied his ass off.

Profited very handsomely from his lies.

[–] pmontra 5 days ago

That happened before some of the readers of this thread were born. A summary for those people, from the fog of distant memories: MS had an Internet Explorer that was not integrated in Windows, it was like any other browser. Then they decided to build it inside Windows. I remember that the Windows desktop got web views like widgets (web view as a name probably did not exist yet) and they called it Active Desktop. I think that it as COM/OLE objects too and the web view was probably one of them. File Explorer itself got an Internet Explorer like skin, probably with single click to navigate directories and open files, as if they were links. Then they claimed that it was impossible to disentangle IE from Windows. That eventually paved the way to the ruling against MS.

When I hear a giant company say that modifying some of its software is impossible I always think about that IE and laugh.

[–] joquarky 5 days ago

And what was the end result there?

[–] ceejayoz 5 days ago

Microsoft was successfully forced to unbundle IE?

[–] brainwad 5 days ago

Not really? In the US it kept being bundled by default, they just made it possible to disable the front end; the MSHTML rendering engine was unremovable.

[–] ceejayoz 5 days ago

It doesn't even exist any more, and they were required to open up APIs to third-party browser makers. We'd be worse off without the settlement.

[–] brainwad 5 days ago

They just renamed it to Edge when they rebooted the UI. It's still a bundled browser, indeed the bundling is more aggressive than ever.

[–] ceejayoz 4 days ago

Edge is Chromium. Their competitor's engine.

[–] brainwad 4 days ago

It is now, but it initially did use Trident. I was on the IE team when Edge launched.